This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. He could have never imagined that. But the generals were not all that convinced? The story of Job is that one day God and Satan are having a conversation, and they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. ", Now you're saying actually that you could read that very dark fact as being actually evidence of something quite-, Well if you dressed up, and if you just had some minor variance to the paradigm you could, presumably, make this up. And that's all the difference in the world. A liquid. Whatever it is. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? He gets promoted to the rank of captain-. No. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. His health is failing in 1934. Where . And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? And what happens is that your elbowing the nitrogen apart from itself, and then forcing it to bond with the hydrogen in a new way. What you know, you know.". Was it nice day? Although, clearly on some level they know it isn't. The fourth prod is. The prods. Because if they're going to record it, I mean I'm going to record it here to but [inaudible 00:27:30]. And, you know, my view about human nature is that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. This was a moment when human cruelty was on trial. All right. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? He could have never imagined that. I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed. I- I- I would say in a powerful mood. Big questions are investigated . Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. Get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using code radiolab at checkout. To feed about 30 million people. These violent delights tienen fin violento. So wait. He goes straight to the German [inaudible 00:36:56] and- and he pitches this idea. You better check in on him sir. But we ended up walking this question around different people-. And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. They've got a very plausible, very credible, high status scientist at high status scientific institution. You know, he takes over leadership in this institution in Berlin and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. The subjects of 40 males between the ages of 20 and 50. Live shows were first offered in 2008. He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. I'll go along with this.". Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". He has such great faith in me." But we thought we would- we would play this show, uh, about a little bit of bad that is in all of us. He has a podcast. And why is it so important, do you think, to understand the why behind such an evil act? You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. And so, Satan basically systematically destroys Job's life, takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. It's like playing dirty. Telling a friend he felt like he'd lost his homeland. No. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. Well, I'd have to discontinue the experimenter then. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. A lot of WNYC podcasts do transcripts-- I know On the Media does. Well I can use that same process-. Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. Prosecution, [crosstalk 00:12:03] the Attorney General. And it's this defense. By the ocean of breath twice, I remember I carried your oxygen. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. And you like her. They're going to record it okay. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age." You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. A hero. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? Cruelty, violence, badness. Like, maybe he thinks Othello is sleeping with his wife, we're not sure. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and the Alfred P Sloan Foundation. But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. The participants that are there in this study-. And he says that's what people wanted. He would have each subject sit down at a table. Why did you do this?" So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". And actually two nations in South America went to war. Yeah. And- and Iago? And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. He'll be our guide for the segment. Yes, this is one of the things that sparked my interest in the topic of murder. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. This next part's a little graphic. He buried them or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal, which hasn't. That's it? "I need to kill because of that." But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife, Clara Immerwahr. Radiolab.org. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. And says, "This is intolerable. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. Because actually, he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. Or nice chair? What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? We just got to get ov- get out of it where-. It was about how far would these people go? Really? Yeah. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. With my arm. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. That one simple, "Why?" Visit our website. 65%-, to shock their fellow citizens over and over again-. And then, it was several hours later in the middle of the night that I got the call. And it's moving in about one meter per second. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. And he goes home for a few days. And my father wasn't buying it. We have nothing. You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. It is a fair question to ask what are the conditions under which you or me or any of us could do-. I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12, by 2050. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of usand the little bit of really,reallybad that's in some of us. Okay. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. (laughs). What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? Does he- is he saying what I think he's saying? Haber starts thinking, "In order to do this we need to pressure this, we need to put it under a lot of pressure.". He would have each subject sit down at a table. And you know what? They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. And then, he just trails off. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. And you know there's nothing a closet full of clothes to help balance that out. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. And you've done this how many times before. It's called Too Much Information. And then she said, "I actually did this. And then, she said, "I actually did this. So the subjects seem willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say, "It's an order.". Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? What you know you know. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. You literally get a drip, drip, drip, of ammonia. What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. My father's trying to, like, reach out to him. Also from, uh, a Jewish family. You know, on the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's he-helped or fed versus people he's killed, I mean, he's got fed billions of people, I don't know that you could entirely call him bad. And he did too. We were just enacting an old, very famous experiment that you may have heard about. Up until that point, Gary refused to say, "That from the minute I picked these women up, I wanted to kill them." In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. This is RadioLab. Now that's important, it's very important. And 84 percent of the women. What does it actually mean to be bad anyways? The whole thing happened several years ago. You know, he's a man adrift. The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". We've got to know now. In that, "Why?" And she said, "My ex boyfriend. no one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever you know. Let's begin with this story from our producer, Pat Walters. He knew about it. I got to tell you, I'm not totally comfortable that you're providing all of the information [inaudible 00:57:52]-. Radiolab is supported by Casper. So he starts experimenting. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. Outside of WNYC, I think This American Life does as well, and I know enthusiastic fans transcribed Serial.. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. This- this is really important. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. [inaudible 00:49:36] bad people in Shakespeare. A lot of them were like, "This is not how you fight a war.". Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. She was actually a sort of a genius herself. That I remember picking her up and-. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. Wasn't satisfied [inaudible 01:01:21] maybe mad 'cause she was very much in a hurry. And it's kind of surprising. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. And they're behind the German lines is-. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. 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